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	<description>The future of Literature</description>
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		<title>By: Warren</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/the-divided-book/comment-page-1/#comment-66944</link>
		<dc:creator>Warren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the percentage given for retailers as a bit generous. In my experience as a bookseller (about 15 years) the average bookseller discount off the retail price is 37%. Discounts start at about 15-20% for educational titles and 40% and above only offered by a small number of suppliers. The big ones like Random, Penguin etc usually sit at 35-37.5% even for quite big retailers. Although I know some have negotiated to 40-42%. I&#039;ve only seen 50% discounts and higher on selected items the publisher wants to be rid of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the percentage given for retailers as a bit generous. In my experience as a bookseller (about 15 years) the average bookseller discount off the retail price is 37%. Discounts start at about 15-20% for educational titles and 40% and above only offered by a small number of suppliers. The big ones like Random, Penguin etc usually sit at 35-37.5% even for quite big retailers. Although I know some have negotiated to 40-42%. I&#8217;ve only seen 50% discounts and higher on selected items the publisher wants to be rid of.</p>
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		<title>By: Where a Book&#8217;s Cover Price Goes &#187; Lone Gunman</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/the-divided-book/comment-page-1/#comment-42735</link>
		<dc:creator>Where a Book&#8217;s Cover Price Goes &#187; Lone Gunman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 09:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on figures produced by The Observer, BookTwo has produced a wonderfully simple infographic depicting the percentages of the split (for a £20 hardback): Retailer: 55% Publisher: 17.5% Author: 10% Production: 10% Distribution: 5% [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Where does the book cover price go? &#124; The Renaissance Thinkers Blog</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/the-divided-book/comment-page-1/#comment-40961</link>
		<dc:creator>Where does the book cover price go? &#124; The Renaissance Thinkers Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] think I&#8217;ve seen the most haunting graphic of my life here. Well, no author is into writing for the money I suppose. 10% though? There should be another way [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] think I&#8217;ve seen the most haunting graphic of my life here. Well, no author is into writing for the money I suppose. 10% though? There should be another way [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kieron</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/the-divided-book/comment-page-1/#comment-40371</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi James

No blame from me on customers, sorry re-read my post and it does sound a little like that! As a retailer I&#039;m just happy customers choose to buy books from me - and the reasons they do so are a mix of price, availability, promotion and sometimes personal recommendation (when I&#039;m very lucky). 

All I wanted to point out is that there aren&#039;t &#039;fat cat&#039; retailers running over the hill with 55% - if they were I&#039;d have bought my house years ago. 

Pricing and books is an interesting discussion - since the end of the Net Book Agreement the emphasis has been more and more on volume sales, mostly driven by the internet and discounting by Amazon. 50% off as a sales message has now become the standard message for frontlist - just look at the windows of any major bookseller on the high street. 

This is, to a degree, the fault of book sellers themselves - in an attempt to retain market share in the face of the internet in over expanded square footage (Borders, and the out-of-town stores) and not looking to differentiate outside of price. However this can&#039;t be said to be unusual in a commodity product market - and booksellers still do amazing promotions and support new authors and exciting books every day. Some of the recent Waterstone&#039;s promotions have been great (the postcard stories, writer&#039;s table etc).

What is a real challenge is to attempt to break out of a price driven offer - but I can&#039;t see how this will happen easily. The web, pricing and availability has increased book sales overall, but to a declining set of customers. 

Any suggestions?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi James</p>
<p>No blame from me on customers, sorry re-read my post and it does sound a little like that! As a retailer I&#8217;m just happy customers choose to buy books from me &#8211; and the reasons they do so are a mix of price, availability, promotion and sometimes personal recommendation (when I&#8217;m very lucky). </p>
<p>All I wanted to point out is that there aren&#8217;t &#8216;fat cat&#8217; retailers running over the hill with 55% &#8211; if they were I&#8217;d have bought my house years ago. </p>
<p>Pricing and books is an interesting discussion &#8211; since the end of the Net Book Agreement the emphasis has been more and more on volume sales, mostly driven by the internet and discounting by Amazon. 50% off as a sales message has now become the standard message for frontlist &#8211; just look at the windows of any major bookseller on the high street. </p>
<p>This is, to a degree, the fault of book sellers themselves &#8211; in an attempt to retain market share in the face of the internet in over expanded square footage (Borders, and the out-of-town stores) and not looking to differentiate outside of price. However this can&#8217;t be said to be unusual in a commodity product market &#8211; and booksellers still do amazing promotions and support new authors and exciting books every day. Some of the recent Waterstone&#8217;s promotions have been great (the postcard stories, writer&#8217;s table etc).</p>
<p>What is a real challenge is to attempt to break out of a price driven offer &#8211; but I can&#8217;t see how this will happen easily. The web, pricing and availability has increased book sales overall, but to a declining set of customers. </p>
<p>Any suggestions?</p>
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		<title>By: Edublog Suspended: Politics Around the Web 10/16/2008 &#124; Beyond School</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/the-divided-book/comment-page-1/#comment-40141</link>
		<dc:creator>Edublog Suspended: Politics Around the Web 10/16/2008 &#124; Beyond School</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The divided book &#124; booktwo.org [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The divided book | booktwo.org [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Bridle</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/the-divided-book/comment-page-1/#comment-40093</link>
		<dc:creator>James Bridle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Kieron - I think that blaming the customer for taking &quot;quite a significant discount off the remaining margin&quot; is a bit odd - the retailers are offering these discounts in a destructive price war, and pushing the cost back onto the publishers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Kieron &#8211; I think that blaming the customer for taking &#8220;quite a significant discount off the remaining margin&#8221; is a bit odd &#8211; the retailers are offering these discounts in a destructive price war, and pushing the cost back onto the publishers.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh McGuire: What Publishing Can Learn From Music &#124; PoliticsMuch.com</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/the-divided-book/comment-page-1/#comment-40054</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh McGuire: What Publishing Can Learn From Music &#124; PoliticsMuch.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:08:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cost of production, distribution and retail overhead &#8212; is worth $20, a digital book is not. Cut the price accordingly. Take your margin, but don&#8217;t abuse your customers with outrageous prices for e-books [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cost of production, distribution and retail overhead &#8212; is worth $20, a digital book is not. Cut the price accordingly. Take your margin, but don&#8217;t abuse your customers with outrageous prices for e-books [...]</p>
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		<title>By: hughmcguire.net &#183; What Publishing Can Learn Music</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/the-divided-book/comment-page-1/#comment-40020</link>
		<dc:creator>hughmcguire.net &#183; What Publishing Can Learn Music</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the cost of production, distribution and retail overhead - is worth $20, a digital book is not. Cut the price accordingly. Take your margin, but don&#8217;t abuse your customers with outrageous prices for ebooks [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the cost of production, distribution and retail overhead &#8211; is worth $20, a digital book is not. Cut the price accordingly. Take your margin, but don&#8217;t abuse your customers with outrageous prices for ebooks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What Publishing Can Learn From Music</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/the-divided-book/comment-page-1/#comment-40019</link>
		<dc:creator>What Publishing Can Learn From Music</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the cost of production, distribution and retail overhead - is worth $20, a digital book is not. Cut the price accordingly. Take your margin, but don&#8217;t abuse your customers with outrageous prices for ebooks [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the cost of production, distribution and retail overhead &#8211; is worth $20, a digital book is not. Cut the price accordingly. Take your margin, but don&#8217;t abuse your customers with outrageous prices for ebooks [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kieron</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/the-divided-book/comment-page-1/#comment-39653</link>
		<dc:creator>Kieron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice graphic James - there would be a lot of rich book retailers around if we all made 55% mind - in reality much of that 55% goes on:

Retailer distribution
(if online) shipping costs
Staff
Heat/Light etc
Returns
and then... the customer takes quite a significant discount off the remaining margin!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice graphic James &#8211; there would be a lot of rich book retailers around if we all made 55% mind &#8211; in reality much of that 55% goes on:</p>
<p>Retailer distribution<br />
(if online) shipping costs<br />
Staff<br />
Heat/Light etc<br />
Returns<br />
and then&#8230; the customer takes quite a significant discount off the remaining margin!</p>
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		<title>By: Sony Reader PRS-700: Part Three &#171; Mike Cane 2008</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/the-divided-book/comment-page-1/#comment-39533</link>
		<dc:creator>Sony Reader PRS-700: Part Three &#171; Mike Cane 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 22:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] No they&#8217;re not! I&#8217;ve seen charts. It&#8217;s mostly physical [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] No they&#8217;re not! I&#8217;ve seen charts. It&#8217;s mostly physical [...]</p>
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		<title>By: What We Pay for When We Pay for Books</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/the-divided-book/comment-page-1/#comment-39521</link>
		<dc:creator>What We Pay for When We Pay for Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at BookTwo takes a look at the price of books and where that money goes:  I think this illustration serves a number of [...]</description>
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