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		<title>By: Adrian Graham</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/faber-finds-the-new-business-of-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-29534</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an interesting post at Booktwo.org about Faber &amp; Faber (&#8216;Faber Finds&#8217;) getting into POD. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Cane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Cane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 22:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Damn right. They will use any goddammed trick they can devise to keep their fangs in a writer’s neck until not only have they sucked out all the blood, they’ve also sucked out the appendix! [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Bridle</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/faber-finds-the-new-business-of-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-27752</link>
		<dc:creator>James Bridle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Karsten - that&#039;s awesome, thanks so much. Excellent work.

I&#039;m afraid I feel that I have to add, without naming names, that a Faber source has privately admitted to me that the problems I detail above with the site are known to them, which I think justifies my other comments. I&#039;m certainly not saying it&#039;s easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Karsten &#8211; that&#8217;s awesome, thanks so much. Excellent work.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid I feel that I have to add, without naming names, that a Faber source has privately admitted to me that the problems I detail above with the site are known to them, which I think justifies my other comments. I&#8217;m certainly not saying it&#8217;s easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Karsten Schmidt</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/faber-finds-the-new-business-of-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-27751</link>
		<dc:creator>Karsten Schmidt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey James, thanks for such an interesting read and the pointers to other people in this field. Whilst I can&#039;t and won&#039;t comment on the production quality/issues with the actual books, I can contribute a bit insight into the creation of the generative cover designs, though:

http://postspectacular.com/process/20080711_faberfindslaunch</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey James, thanks for such an interesting read and the pointers to other people in this field. Whilst I can&#8217;t and won&#8217;t comment on the production quality/issues with the actual books, I can contribute a bit insight into the creation of the generative cover designs, though:</p>
<p><a href="http://postspectacular.com/process/20080711_faberfindslaunch" rel="nofollow">http://postspectacular.com/process/20080711_faberfindslaunch</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Bridle</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/faber-finds-the-new-business-of-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-27744</link>
		<dc:creator>James Bridle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matthew - thanks for the response.

What is the reasoning behind resetting a text to be exactly the same as previous additions? Surely a large part of resetting is to make it fit the page better?

I&#039;ve just been to the site again, and here&#039;s what happened:

I added &lt;a href=&quot;http://faber.co.uk/work/allen-ginsberg/9780571238101/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this book&lt;/a&gt; to my basket, and then clicked &#039;Checkout&#039; in the sidebar. I was then told there was nothing in my basket.

Am I supposed to sign in before I order? There is no assistance so it&#039;s hard to know. I then signed in, and the basket forgot my order, so had to re-enter it.

Oh no, it&#039;s still in there on the book page, but not on the basket page.

I previously found that removing stuff from my basket actually resulted in a server error, but since I now can&#039;t seem to even add anything to my basket, whether logged in or not, and tried lots of different books, I gave up.

Added to this the complete lack of styling on a number of pages, and the fact that faberfinds runs in an iframe, I&#039;m sticking to calling it lazily-designed. Sorry, it&#039;s not meant personally, but what do you expect when I can&#039;t use it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matthew &#8211; thanks for the response.</p>
<p>What is the reasoning behind resetting a text to be exactly the same as previous additions? Surely a large part of resetting is to make it fit the page better?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just been to the site again, and here&#8217;s what happened:</p>
<p>I added <a href="http://faber.co.uk/work/allen-ginsberg/9780571238101/" rel="nofollow">this book</a> to my basket, and then clicked &#8216;Checkout&#8217; in the sidebar. I was then told there was nothing in my basket.</p>
<p>Am I supposed to sign in before I order? There is no assistance so it&#8217;s hard to know. I then signed in, and the basket forgot my order, so had to re-enter it.</p>
<p>Oh no, it&#8217;s still in there on the book page, but not on the basket page.</p>
<p>I previously found that removing stuff from my basket actually resulted in a server error, but since I now can&#8217;t seem to even add anything to my basket, whether logged in or not, and tried lots of different books, I gave up.</p>
<p>Added to this the complete lack of styling on a number of pages, and the fact that faberfinds runs in an iframe, I&#8217;m sticking to calling it lazily-designed. Sorry, it&#8217;s not meant personally, but what do you expect when I can&#8217;t use it?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/faber-finds-the-new-business-of-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-27738</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some valid comments re. Faber Finds. The marked covers is a problem, but our production folks are on the case. 

James@digitalist was right that the text has been re-set. Rather than reflowing the text, the plan was to stick to the same lines and line-endings as seen in the original texts. 

Faber Finds is a very ambitious project - there should be at least 300 titles each year (it doubles Faber&#039;s list). In an ideal world there&#039;d be more people and more time to work on the books. There&#039;s obviously room for improvement but if you believe it&#039;s just another cynical fleecing exercise you should spend a few minutes in the company of the series editor ...

And as for the &#039;lazily designed&#039; Faber site, we didn&#039;t feel lazy when we were slaving away at it. It&#039;s not the finished article yet in terms of content and integrating bits of technology further down the line. Surely it boils down to the question &#039;why would anyone visit a publisher&#039;s website?&#039;. There&#039;s a number of different answers to that question and a few different audiences to cater for - not all of whom are Twitter-literate or on last.fm (now there&#039;s a backlash ...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some valid comments re. Faber Finds. The marked covers is a problem, but our production folks are on the case. </p>
<p>James@digitalist was right that the text has been re-set. Rather than reflowing the text, the plan was to stick to the same lines and line-endings as seen in the original texts. </p>
<p>Faber Finds is a very ambitious project &#8211; there should be at least 300 titles each year (it doubles Faber&#8217;s list). In an ideal world there&#8217;d be more people and more time to work on the books. There&#8217;s obviously room for improvement but if you believe it&#8217;s just another cynical fleecing exercise you should spend a few minutes in the company of the series editor &#8230;</p>
<p>And as for the &#8216;lazily designed&#8217; Faber site, we didn&#8217;t feel lazy when we were slaving away at it. It&#8217;s not the finished article yet in terms of content and integrating bits of technology further down the line. Surely it boils down to the question &#8216;why would anyone visit a publisher&#8217;s website?&#8217;. There&#8217;s a number of different answers to that question and a few different audiences to cater for &#8211; not all of whom are Twitter-literate or on last.fm (now there&#8217;s a backlash &#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... oh and, I actually rather like Faber&#039;s new site, not least because it puts readers at the top of the nav, and gives you the means to browse the catalogue based on your own interest... one man&#039;s fish is another man&#039;s poisson, and all that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; oh and, I actually rather like Faber&#8217;s new site, not least because it puts readers at the top of the nav, and gives you the means to browse the catalogue based on your own interest&#8230; one man&#8217;s fish is another man&#8217;s poisson, and all that.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/faber-finds-the-new-business-of-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-27618</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your assessment of the Faber Finds product. I ordered Rankin&#8217;s &#8220;Dead Man&#8217;s Chest&#8221; and it arrived with dirt on the back and a bit bent on the spine. In this case though, unless the original edition was badly typeset, I think the text has undergone OCR and then *not* been proofread, as their are numerous blatant typesetting errors that disrupt your reading of the book and generally let the product down.</p>
<p>I was sad to find this was the case because I was pleased with the concept and thought the approach to covers was fun, and the list is certainly enticing. But having paid £16+ (after delivery charges) for a sub-par product, I&#8217;m unlikely to buy again.</p>
<p>I can only imagine that the folks at Faber are aware of these issues and for some (good or otherwise) reason had to make decisions that put Faber Finds where it is in terms of product quality. I&#8217;d be interested to discuss that decisions making process with them&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Hubert Guillaud</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/faber-finds-the-new-business-of-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-27512</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubert Guillaud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’ve been working on a POD project for some time, the fruits of which will be available soon.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m impatient to know a little more, James !&#8230; Especially after this post who shows that POD does not yet appear to be technically mature.</p>
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		<title>By: La Feuille &#187; Archive du blog &#187; Quand les éditeurs prendront-ils l&#8217;impression à la demande au sérieux ?</title>
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		<dc:creator>La Feuille &#187; Archive du blog &#187; Quand les éditeurs prendront-ils l&#8217;impression à la demande au sérieux ?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Intéressant billet de James Brindle qui revient sur le nouveau business de l&#8217;impression à la demande (POD), notamment avec le lancement récent de Faber, Faber Finds. Faber Finds a pour ambition de proposer des classiques oubliés en POD, dans une mise en page qui semblait plutôt attractive. Mais voilà, constate Brindle, la réalisation laisse à désirer : mal coupées, traces d&#8217;encres et de doigts, et surtout, pas la moindre attention aux lecteurs : pas d&#8217;introduction, pas de mise en page, &#8230; Sans compter que les deux éditions que Brindle a acheté sont disponibles par ailleurs chez d&#8217;autres éditeurs, non POD. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Bridle</title>
		<link>http://booktwo.org/notebook/faber-finds-the-new-business-of-pod/comment-page-1/#comment-27497</link>
		<dc:creator>James Bridle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenny - I&#039;m afraid I disagree with you on Canongate&#039;s site: it&#039;s difficult to navigate, contains less actual book information (that I can find) than the previous one, and is illegible and broken in many places. Likewise, the Granta site is not &#039;exciting&#039;, but it is fit for purpose, and has attracted plaudits from around the world. But each to their own.

I&#039;m sorry you consider bkkeepr dross, but one of the many points of it was that publishers don&#039;t have to spend huge resources on projects like this: it cost me nothing to build. The new market, as the three sites I pointed to show, has nothing to do with spending vast sums of money on expensive agencies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenny &#8211; I&#8217;m afraid I disagree with you on Canongate&#8217;s site: it&#8217;s difficult to navigate, contains less actual book information (that I can find) than the previous one, and is illegible and broken in many places. Likewise, the Granta site is not &#8216;exciting&#8217;, but it is fit for purpose, and has attracted plaudits from around the world. But each to their own.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry you consider bkkeepr dross, but one of the many points of it was that publishers don&#8217;t have to spend huge resources on projects like this: it cost me nothing to build. The new market, as the three sites I pointed to show, has nothing to do with spending vast sums of money on expensive agencies.</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jul 2008 18:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst it&#039;s not a huge innovation, Faber Finds is an ambitious move (as many as 1,000 books in a short space of time apparently), and it&#039;ll be interesting to see how everyone else, ie the big guns, react.  It should, hopefully, lead to some interesting new publishing models. I thought they were resetting the text (according to the press release at least), and those white covers will have to be addressed.

Interesting post, but your last paragraph lets you down! When assessing other recent projects (and the new Canongate site is at least an improvement on the previous two incarnations), you might have mentioned that the new Granta site doesn&#039;t exactly set pulses racing. If publishers start spending resources they don&#039;t have on dross like Bkkeepr will they then be successfully understanding the workings of the new market?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst it&#8217;s not a huge innovation, Faber Finds is an ambitious move (as many as 1,000 books in a short space of time apparently), and it&#8217;ll be interesting to see how everyone else, ie the big guns, react.  It should, hopefully, lead to some interesting new publishing models. I thought they were resetting the text (according to the press release at least), and those white covers will have to be addressed.</p>
<p>Interesting post, but your last paragraph lets you down! When assessing other recent projects (and the new Canongate site is at least an improvement on the previous two incarnations), you might have mentioned that the new Granta site doesn&#8217;t exactly set pulses racing. If publishers start spending resources they don&#8217;t have on dross like Bkkeepr will they then be successfully understanding the workings of the new market?</p>
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